Ooo as Helmholtz leaves to check on Bernard John and Mustapha Mond keeps going with their philosophical argument. Their conversation in chapter 16 is about converted human experience and institutions that they have abolished as well in chapter 17 they discuss religion and religious experience. As Helmholtz leaves to check on Bernard John and and Mustapha Mond keeps going with their philosophical argument their conversation in chapter 16 is about converted human experience and institutions that they have abolished as well in chapter 17 they discuss religion and religious experience. Mond shows John his collection of banned religious writings and reads aloud long passages from nineteenth century French philosopher. John protests that is the people of the world state believe in god they would not be degraded by their pleasant vices then he declares that he wants god, poetry, real danger, freedom, goodness, and sin Mond tells him that his wishes will lead to unhappiness and John ...